Clark Gregg has a message for people who say ‘Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.’ is not part of the MCU: “Go fuck yourself, we’re proud of what we did."
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Morgoth18142025-10-23 00:18
LMAO damn Clark snapped. Respect
Until I get confirmation from Feige or any major EP or crew members about it not being canon, I’m dying on the hill that AOS is canon.
Even if it is revealed it’s not canon, that doesn’t mean it wasn’t an awesome show. I’d still love it.
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GrimaceGrunson2025-10-23 00:44
It’s a magic book, it changed how it looked or something. 🤷♂️
kn7285702025-10-23 00:48
I mean it was already explained. The Darkhold has copies.
Joshdabozz2025-10-23 00:48
It was literally established in AOS that it changes appearance but everyone who hasn’t seen the show keeps bringing that up as a “that’s why it isn’t canon” point for some reason.
And if they for some reason have seen the show and don’t remember this, I would be surprised because they establish it very clearly when talking about the Darkhold in AOS
stefan7712025-10-23 00:45
That was explained in Multi Verse of Madness.
NateDawg80s2025-10-23 00:52
I mean, it's a multiverse, so isn't it ALL canon at this point?
Curious-Hamster-50462025-10-23 07:29
same. people have tried to claim it's been made official but it's BS. fwige stated himself it was canon so until he states otherwise then it's canon whether people like it or not.
These_Wish_51012025-10-23 00:18
AOS is not Canon Gregg
Affectionate-Day83072025-10-23 00:19
You're not canon
Cheatercheaterbitch2025-10-23 00:19
Sir__Will2025-10-23 00:20
I mean, they should be proud of what they did. I don't think many think otherwise. But that doesn't change the fact that the show always had to try and fit itself in and some aspects don't really fit the established MCU. Does it really matter that much either way?
Ubergoober1662025-10-23 00:37
Realistically, with the multiverse now being such a big focus, it's really easy to say they *were* mainline MCU canon (the show clearly started out that way) until they started time traveling and they ended up on an alternate timeline branch of the 616 universe. It wouldn't be hard at all to bring them back into the mainline MCU in Secret Wars, which I really hope they do. I miss SHIELD being part of the MCU. At least bring back Coulson, May, Daisy and Fitzsimmons.
Majestic-Marcus2025-10-23 00:46
They definitely won’t.
Secret Wars and Doomsday are Marvel’s attempts to bail out a ship taking on water.
AOS doesn’t have enough fans to sell a single ticket that wasn’t already being sold. There’s no benefit to adding them and a decent amount of downsides.
It’s the same as people saying they should have added them to the Endgame battle. It would have made the scene worse and destroyed the momentum of the movie.
Eastern_Hornet_64322025-10-23 02:11
>Secret Wars and Doomsday are Marvel’s attempts to bail out a ship taking on water.
Nah. They're Marvel's attempts to integrate the F4 and X-Men into the MCU, without having to make the X-Men a "new" development. For example if Magneto became Magneto back during the Holocaust, then he can't *just* be showing up in the MCU in 2026 with nary a prior mention in all the MCU's movies up til now. Meaning, if they want to integrate Magneto into the MCU in a way that keeps his backstory as what fans expect, then there's gonna have to be some big, noticeable retcons to the established MCU timeline. And that means some big multiversal shenanigans.
Not to mention, if Marvel was *ever* gonna do big crossover events with the pre-MCU franchises, like Tom Holland meets Andrew Garfield meets Tobey Maguire, or Mark Ruffalo's Hulk vs Hugh Jackman's Wolverine, then they were always gonna need to do that shit quickly. Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen ain't getting any younger, you know? And NWH already had jokes about how middle-aged Maguire looked. Actors age and that ties a studio's hands on how much of a long game they can play. So if Feige wanted to ever bring peanut butter and jelly together like fans had always wanted, then he needed to do it about now-ish.
Even if Phases 4 and 5 had been executed flawlessly, Marvel would still be doing some big multiversal crossover right about now because if they waited any longer, there's a good chance they wouldn't able to do it at all anymore. Patrick Stewart's 85. Ian McKellen's 86. I don't wanna be morbid, but how much longer do you expect them to be doing movies? Even Deadpool at his jokiest didn't dare to suggest that anyone would still be doing these movies past 90.
Hellknightx2025-10-23 01:26
It's not really a jab at the show, in any way. It's more of a jab at Disney execs who treated the shows like trickle-down canon. Anything that happened in the movies was canon, but it basically ignored all the shows, and the shows just had to work around that.
I'm glad that AoS finally gave up chasing the MCU movies and ignored the Snap, so they could focus on their own global-level threats. Still, it would've been nice if they had let Graviton be Franklin Hall, instead of reinventing him as a different character.
PhotoBonjour_bombs192025-10-23 02:11
Yeah I always assumed the show was canon but then branched to alternate universe from 616 mcu. When does the show drift from canon tho
Ubergoober1662025-10-23 02:19
I assumed around the time of Infinity War since the snap seemed to never occur in the show's timeline.
Sere12025-10-23 03:24
I like to imagine the Snap happened during their adventures in the blown up future Earth arc, that when they returned to the present they missed the actual snap and thus were spared.
BLAGTIER2025-10-23 03:47
The last couple of episodes of season 5 throw out references to Infinity War events.
DistinctNewspaper7912025-10-23 09:37
Yeah it was one future even Dr Strange couldn't see.
Daisy joined Thor in Wakanda after stopping Graviton. And together they stopped Thanos
BladeOfWoah2025-10-23 02:24
It was mostly consistent up to Infinity War. The main reason it diverged is because the writers for AoS did not have access to the screenplay of Endgame, and so they had to continue their show without much knowledge of the consequences of that movie.
ExultantSandwich2025-10-23 02:59
I think the show is ultimately better off having branched out into its own thing, but that’s BS that they lost access to the scripts.
It was obvious they weren’t going to kill off Spider-Man, Scarlet Witch and etc.
If you give Mark Ruffalo the entire script, the showrunners of Agents of Shield should get it too
PhotoBonjour_bombs192025-10-23 03:41
So after season 4?
sortalikeachinchilla2025-10-23 02:50
“ at least bring back the main characters lol”
I totally agree just thought that was kind of funny
Ubergoober1662025-10-23 02:53
I mean, the show kind of had a lot of main characters but those I guess are the *main* main characters. I'd love to see all of them come back, especially YoYo, Robbie Reyes Ghost Rider, Mack and his shotgun axe, Tripp, etc. but I know that may not be realistic to expect them all.
corgandane2025-10-23 04:50
I want Reed Richards, Fitz, and Simmons in the same room so bad. 😅
New_Cockroach_5052025-10-23 00:58
Yeah this seems weirdly aggressive lol it’s not like the canon discussion was about quality. It was about narrative cohesion. Even Chloe Bennet complained about AoS not being treated as canon and the actors as “second class citizens” as I recall. Like she was mad they left them out of Secret Invasion (which maybe dodged a bullet there lol).
DecoyOne2025-10-23 01:41
>weirdly aggressive
It’s a joke
New_Cockroach_5052025-10-23 02:59
Sure. Buts it’s also joking about something no one was saying? Hence the aggressive point. It feels like it’s creating outrage from nothing. No one was debating AoS canon status cause they thought the show was bad lol
haolee5102025-10-23 12:44
He's referencing the group of people who brings up its canonicity as if it somehow makes the show lesser/matter less. In case you don't realize, there's been that annoying type of AoS-hater who loves to bring up its ambiguous canon status to argue that the show is pointless and shouldn't exist.
MarvelsGrantMan1362025-10-23 00:20
Gregg:
>”There’s some people who talk about canon. You can go fuck yourself. We’re proud of what we did. We’re proud, really deeply proud, of the connection we have with people like you who come visit and hang with us.”
>”At a certain point, when Marvel Television and the MCU were kind of going to different companies, it became harder and harder to get villains. And they got to kind of do some deep cuts into the comic book world that got us some really cool characters.”
>”It was a gradual thing [the shift from tying directly into movies like ‘The Winter Soldier’ and getting Marvel stars to appear in the series]. There was never any kind of animosity. It was clear that there was some corporate restructuring going on. There [were] new shows happening that I thought were incredible – thank God Daredevil’s back on [Disney+]. I mean, we would still have people show up, is that true? No, I guess it was mostly the first couple of seasons. We definitely became our own ship out there in the galaxy and I fell like we made it work.”
Just imagining Agent Coulson saying "go fuck yourself" really does put a smile on my face.
Githzerai19842025-10-23 00:53
For real I can hear it
graveybrains2025-10-23 01:00
You know he said it with a smile
YaBoiiAsthma2025-10-23 04:51
Same tone as "cool origin story bro"
Dangerous_Donkey53532025-10-23 20:45
Its the 'bro' part of the statement that gets me every time.
jbakes642025-10-23 01:54
Look up a movie called Choke if you want to see Clark Gregg talk shit to Sam Rockwell while in full character at one of those Revolutionary War-era historical towns. I'm not really one to go out of my way to go to a Comic Con but I would pay good money to meet him and have him call me a fuckin' knave.
indianajoes2025-10-23 08:19
He directed it as well. Also if you're a Community fan, you might like it for...reasons
furthuryourhead2025-10-24 13:32
Gillian Jacobs as an exotic dancer? I’m in
Medical_Difference482025-10-24 23:42
You had my curiosity. Now you have my attention.
The_Orgin2025-10-23 03:26
*Because the truth is, I'm not just an actor. My name is Phil Coulson, and I'm an agent of S.H.I.E.L.D..*
bobneumann772025-10-23 04:19
His line: "You will never be on my team, you delusional son of a bitch" made me drop my jaw. He would have killed "Go fuck yourself"
Ygomaster072025-10-23 10:26
When does he say that line?
bobneumann772025-10-23 13:42
I think it was early in season 2, but he was talking to Ward after he already betrayed them.
SunGodLuffy62025-10-23 00:51
Non-canon garbage 🗑️
graveybrains2025-10-23 01:01
EtherBoo2025-10-23 01:56
I mean I get what he's saying... But being canon or not doesn't have anything to do with the quality of the show. AoS was mostly great, especially at the end. In fact, I'd argue Disney needs to take a look at it to see how you can do a show that's more than 6 episodes a season. Seasons 1-5 were over 20 episodes and the last 2 were 13... But now we can't get a low Fx show more than 6 episodes except for DareDevil.
They absolutely should be proud, canon or not. Him saying that kind of ignores the fact that there's some giant pieces that don't line up, especially with the snap. Even if it's not mainline canon, it really doesn't matter because Loki basically made everything canon and the next Avengers movie seems to be pulling in everything. The canon discussion is kind of moot now as a result.
haolee5102025-10-23 12:42
He's basically saying people bringing up its canonicity as if it makes the show somehow lesser is ridiculous. You're agreeing with him.
EtherBoo2025-10-23 17:37
Well I think saying "Go fuck yourself" is a bit crass for no reason when the universe has essentially given them an easy in canon explanation.
Discussing the nuance of canon is kind of a past time of any type of big interconnected product that is shown on TV and film; probably comics and print media also.
KwisatzHaderach942025-10-23 02:39
we're proud of clark and the gang too. they put marvel tv on the map even before netflix did.
Curious-Hamster-50462025-10-23 07:27
AOS is the best marvel show of all time. the only actual competitor is Earth's Mightiest Heroes which Marvel also canceled and ruined because they didn't know what they had.
they tried to force everything to be a part of the mcu and destroyed good shows in the process. now the mcu is a disaster and people have gotten bored of it but those classic shows will remain.
Tuskin382025-10-23 00:20
I don't care if something is canon or not as long as I enjoy watching it.
SHIELD was a great series, that's all that matters to me.
cardew-vascular2025-10-23 00:42
I just started watching, I just finished agent Carter. I'm working my way through the series'
alexjf562025-10-23 00:48
AoS is a lot of fun
-Posthuman-2025-10-23 06:07
I felt it started weak. But it just kept getting better and better, and ended as an absolutely fantastic show.
alexjf562025-10-23 06:42
Thought it started really strong and only fell off at the end
complete_your_task2025-10-23 07:46
It's an unpopular opinion, but I really like season 1. But the end of season 1 into season 2 definitely take it to another level, and the show continues to climb until it peaks with season 4. 5 is still great, but I can't say it's an improvement on 4. 6 is the real low point of the series. 7 is different, but very good, and definitely a return to form after season 6.
DefVanJoviAero2025-10-23 08:05
Agree, season 6 was the only one I didn't really like.
thepasystem2025-10-23 09:05
4>3>2>5>7>1>6
For me season 4 is a 10. 2, 3, and 5 are 9s. 1 and 7 are 8s. And season 6 is a 7. So overall, I loved the show.
Rap-Torr-442025-10-23 15:22
Ghost rider is the only reason I watched AoS, was a shame when I got to know he had his debut in s4☹️
Haven't watched s7 yet but I do agree with the rankings so far
arfelo12025-10-23 12:05
The Ward twist is what finally put the show into geat. Before that it was a lot of set up and a middling police procedual with superhero gimmiks. But from then on it was no stop
Van1shed2025-10-23 12:21
A fellow season 1 enjoyer 🤝
jivjov2025-10-23 07:45
I get what they were going for with "let's start as a really run of the mill procedural show, like a cop drama but for Marvel" and then oops winter soldier hits and the hydra reveal happens and such and suddenly it shakes up the status quo.....but they really made the first half of the first season SO generic -- that shoulda been like 1-2 episodes tops before everything went nutty
CaptHayfever2025-10-23 18:23
If they'd been allowed to start even just a month later instead of with the normal fall premieres, that could've helped.
shaolynx2025-10-23 08:57
The show got held back until the Hydra reveal. After that happened Agents of SHIELD was baller.
taviusparadise2025-10-23 00:58
if u enjoyed carter. ur gonna love shield
Alarmed-Bonus-74112025-10-23 01:30
I did the same thing, started from the very beginning (with I believe Blade). Following that one spreadsheet that's out there step by step.
I'm currently in 2017, almost finished with Punisher S1.
cardew-vascular2025-10-23 01:34
I only started with MCU/Netflix I saw Blade and all of the X-Men, fantastic 4 etc in theatres and I know them well, I've only not seem the marvel series' and the more recent films.
TexasPeteEnthusiast2025-10-23 02:24
No Howard the Duck?
Alarmed-Bonus-74112025-10-23 02:25
I saw it as a youngin but it wasn't on the list (that was made by people way smarter than me), so I just assumed that it wasn't part of what's considered the current MCU idk 🤷🏾♂️
Many-Drink89102025-10-23 04:10
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abstractraj2025-10-24 07:30
I really wish Agent Carter had a longer run. The wife and I got a photo with Hayley Atwell at NY Comic Con. It sits in our Agent Carter corner of one of our bookshelves
Soranos_712025-10-23 01:43
The story pod idea kept things interesting for a traditional TV show with a lot of episodes per season compared to today. The CW DC shows often struggled to keep things interesting with 20+ episodes.
any-blue-91222025-10-23 02:09
One of my favorite series honestly. Will never forget. Whether it is “canon” or not doesn’t really matter
themosquito2025-10-23 02:39
Yeah, I don't really get why people are connecting "not canon" to "it sucks". Breaking Bad is not part of the MCU but it's still good.
Agents of SHIELD was pretty good all the way through! It's not canon, but that means exactly nothing about the quality of it. It was always "we're canon to the movies but the movies will never acknowledge us and if they want to do something that contradicts us they will without a second thought."
Wondrous-Junction262025-10-23 03:36
Nope you're wrong and you're gatekeeping the MCU. AoS is absolutely canon and was made with that intention ever since it premiered. Marvel Entertainment was all one company making those shows and movies. Kevin Feige broke away from Marvel Entertainment and now wants to piggy back off what was successful on Marvel TV.
Equal-Ad-27102025-10-23 04:04
Pretty sure the Wakanda Files even mention that Coulson is alive ala Shield
spidervenom6192025-10-23 04:45
It's actually did but for whatever reason some "fans" don't count that book as canon but the freaking awful Timeline book (which doesn't mention the Defenders Saga which we know for a fact is 100% Canon) as canon.
Equal-Ad-27102025-10-23 04:46
Hell, the timelines Book is straight up wrong at times (notice how it says Thanos used the Power Stone against Hulk when we know he didn’t)
FlashbackJon2025-10-23 16:48
Disclaimer: I am the biggest AoS fanboy there is. Sure, it's canon. But it's also extremely clear that no one at Marvel Studios working on movies was under the assumption that it was canon. Not even the slightest hint of any of the world-altering events that occur in the show even casually meander into the plots or backgrounds or side conversations of any movie or show since.
indianajoes2025-10-23 08:18
A lot of supposed MCU fans will swear off this show without giving it a chance because it's "not canon" according to them. Meanwhile they'll watch hours and hours of slop like Secret Invasion just because it has Feige's name and Marvel Studios in front of it
Ok-Bug43282025-10-23 03:22
It jumps the shark with the alien entity.
Tuskin382025-10-23 03:23
disagree
AeneasNoctis2025-10-23 03:39
remember the hydra tie in and when they went on the run on the bus?
Cypher_862025-10-23 05:23
'Canon' has become one of those things that leads to a lot of toxic behaviour. Someone doesnt like something therefore *its not canon for me,* and so forth.
I like that the MCU has ongoing continuity, but whether an individual project does or doesnt fit isnt a condition of whether I'll enjoy it.
Nuvomega2025-10-23 18:21
And it’s the craziest hoops too. Like the Peacemaker arguments that season 2 is canon but season one isn’t. Why? Because it reconned who showed up.
No you freaking crazies. It’s the simplest fucking reason. Gunn likes it so he’s including it in his universe. End of. Season 1-2 are in because he wants it in and he will retcon one part to fit it.
Neveronlyadream2025-10-23 22:46
I honestly think that happens a lot of the time because people just don't want to consume *everything* when there's so much. So they call something non-canon so they can disregard it.
The MCU is especially bad because they spent so long tying everything together that if you didn't watch this one show or short that didn't interest you, you had no idea what was going on in the next movie.
Subject-Ad50712025-10-23 06:27
It was great. It was pretty consistently good. The show stayed good for seven seasons. That’s rare. The Netflix series decreased in quality per season. Not Daredevil.
SJ9662025-10-23 00:21
So he is referring to Kevin Feige, Joss Whedon,the Russo brothers and other Exces at Marvel Studios? Because the fans really don’t really seem to have a problem with AOS(obviously there are some).
kakahuhu2025-10-23 00:24
I think at some point the Russos said something like "no, we didn't watch any of that tv stuff and know nothing about it," and they definitely could have found a better way to say AOS wasn't going to part of their Avengers movies. It was really rude of them.
theDagman2025-10-23 00:36
Movie directors dissing television is a tale as old as television.
dayton-ode2025-10-23 00:38
I wouldn't say its that deep considering Russos' work with Community
peesu2025-10-23 00:38
Which is absolutely dogshit because their work in Community and Arrested Development probably got them in the radar to direct MCU movies.
kakahuhu2025-10-23 00:42
Not to mention their terrible post end game movies
kakahuhu2025-10-23 00:42
Yeah, but making an interconnected media universe that is supposed to include both is newer. I think they were right to exclude all the tv stuff because a lot of people skipped Marvel tv cause the movies was enough for them (I'm sure this continues with Disney+ shows). It was just really dismissive to the people involved.
AdmiralCharleston2025-10-23 00:27
I think he's talking about people that act like it being canon affects is quality. He's saying it doesn't matter whether it's canon or not because that's a stupid argument and kinda minimises the work they put in
HyruleBalverine2025-10-23 01:25
People can be so weird. Why would canon have anything to do with quality? Canon only affects how different projects relate to one another (or if they relate at all). Personally, I've always liked the theory that the show started as part of the mainline MCU timeline, but their time travelling shenanigans moved them to alternate timelines. Either way, I enjoyed it for what it was, regardless of it's connections to the MCU movies.
PhotoBonjour_bombs192025-10-23 02:12
There’s definitely people who only watch stuff if it’s canon or not. For example:me
icemannathann2025-10-23 00:28
Not true lol plenty of fans (not necessarily me) don’t think it’s canon, I’d actually say the majority.
Hellknightx2025-10-23 01:47
Yeah, it's clearly either non-canon or, if it is, just an alternate timeline that isn't part of the "sacred" timeline. But that doesn't really matter, because the show has always stood on its own merits anyway.
They tried to work around the MCU movies for a while, but it was clearly hard for them to keep up, especially when the Russos weren't willing to share any details for the Infinity saga before the movies came out. So just ignoring the snap and doing their own thing was obviously the right call, moving forward.
It was nice that they at least got to crossover with Agent Carter towards the end, which was nice to see Agent Sousa get his happy ending.
SeekerVash2025-10-23 00:39
Feige.
Feige is the one who decided a whole bunch of other stuff is canon, but is leaving out Agents of Shield.
ItsAProdigalReturn2025-10-23 01:10
Feige has strongly insinuated repeatedly that it *is* canon, but that it's just in a parallel universe and part of the multiverse.
Creepy_Cupcake37052025-10-23 00:22
😂 but they told us it literally wasn’t canon
uncleben852025-10-23 00:32
They literally didn't
MasterAnnatar2025-10-23 00:24
Hot take, because I enjoyed the series I don't want it to be canon. Don't force the square peg into the round hole. Season 4 and on stopped trying to force itself into the MCU and that was the show at its strongest. It seems like most of the people that want it to be canon want the characters to show back up in the wider MCU, which while I understand, I don't want these characters to be expanded on by worse writers and that's a genuine risk in bringing them back.
theFinalCrucible2025-10-23 00:49
I feel the exact same way. Absolutely love the show but trying to justify it being canon makes my head hurt, why was there no snap in the show? Where are all the inhumans in the movies? It works great as expanded universe content for lack of a better term and trying to fit it into the sacred timeline will force retcons on a show that was great as is.
Solariss2025-10-23 00:58
During the Infinity Saga I would've loved AoS to have been referenced or characters used. Nowadays during the Multiverse Saga, I really hope not, not unless Jed and Maurissa are involved.
MasterAnnatar2025-10-23 02:29
Exactly what I've always said. If they get Jed and Maurissa back, I'd be happy to see AoS characters return. Without them...nah
DTFunkyStuff2025-10-23 01:28
Well, good thing the multiverse is a thing, so the first 4 seasons can be the MCU verse and the others can be a branch. Why does everyone need things to be "pure"?
Gaidin1522025-10-23 02:17
Nothing hot about this take.
Markus28222025-10-23 12:15
Regardless of how you feel, it being canon is a fact not an opinion. A fact backed up on everything from marvel recently designating it canon to the MCU (again), to Nick Fury’s bio on Marvel.com directly talking about the show, to tie in books, to numerous projects referencing shield still being up and running after TWS, etc. Feige said it was canon at comic con for the launch of the show and that fact has not changed or even been put in to question, essentially ever.
Adventurous_Coach7312025-10-23 00:25
I’m a theorist. If I like your work, I’m gonna want to theorize about it. The same goes with many other theorists who want to know about the world they love. His response sounds a lot less like he’s proud of his work and more that he’s defensive about his work.
LeoNickle2025-10-23 00:25
I think the intent of what he said is that it doesn't matter if it's canon or not; that they are proud of the show regardless. I don't think he's ripping on the fact it's not canon.
PotamosClasp2025-10-23 00:27
A cinematic universe where multiverse exists... And even movies made from different companies exists in the same continuity via the same multiverse but the show that is created from within the company during the early phases of the movies... isn't canon? I need whatever drugs they're on.
TravEllerZero2025-10-23 00:31
Exactly. It would be so easy to bring some of these characters into the MCU in a way that would be a huge payoff for the fans, and give others a chance to get to know them for the first time. Can't believe we haven't at least seen Quake crossover yet.
Due-Yoghurt-79172025-10-23 00:38
I thought for sure Daisy would be on Secret Invasion. But uhhh too bad they never made that show right
TravEllerZero2025-10-23 00:41
Yeah as much as I love AoS and want to see them represented, I'm glad they weren't sullied by that show. Secret Invasion is the only Marvel project (well, Inhumans as well) that I actually consider to be garbage.
Due-Yoghurt-79172025-10-23 00:43
I was beside myself when they did an AI intro but I thought "oh marvel wouldn't waste the talents of Jackson and Smulders, right?" ALAS~
Majestic-Marcus2025-10-23 00:49
> can’t believe we haven’t at least seen Quake crossover yet
Why? She’s isn’t a famous actress or a famous character. I’d have been surprised if we did see her.
TravEllerZero2025-10-23 00:54
Because she is a powered character and there is a fanbase for her and the actress portraying her. It would be an easy bone to throw the fans, and they already have years of backstory for someone new to go watch if they wanted more. Seems pretty win-win to me.
FerrusManlyManus2025-10-23 00:31
People mean canon to the main MCU universe where all the heroes are from and all the movies take place in (besides F4 and Deadpool and Wolverine).
VicRamD2025-10-23 00:36
People qho wants the show to be canon wants it to be part of the main continuity (MCU 616 universe )
RightSideBlind2025-10-23 00:40
I've said this before, but I'd love to see Son of Coul put together a team of the sidekicks from the other Marvel movies and shows- Katie, Louis, Darcy, Madisynn, Jimmy, etc. They save the world, but nobody ever knows.
New_Cockroach_5052025-10-23 01:01
That’s not how canon works with the multiverse.
Yes. The Raimi films are in the MCU multiverse. No, Raimis Spiderman isn’t living in the same timeline as Hollands.
Saying AOS exists in the multiverse isn’t the same as saying AOS happened in the same timeline as Infinity War.
FerrusManlyManus2025-10-23 00:29
I love AoS. But I also can see it is not canon to the main MCU universe. Canon to the multiverse? Sure.
Emolgurama2025-10-23 00:30
I love the show, my favorite piece of Marvel media. Don’t really care if it’s canon or not. All that matters is I like it
uncleben852025-10-23 00:30
Clark Gregg is a fucking icon
Split962025-10-23 00:31
Honestly I don’t think any one marvel director has claim on what is cannon, so yea fuck em
Previous-Strain-87312025-10-23 00:31
Chat it is NOT that personal
MrDeathstixxx122025-10-23 00:32
It was always canon.
Nu mcu can say whatever they want. Post endgame isn't canon
LightningTiger19982025-10-23 00:33
It’s 100% cannon just at the end it branched off into a different universe due to time travel there’s a world out there with LMD Coulson flying around in Lola and Mack is Director of Shield
VicRamD2025-10-23 00:38
It can't be canon with Inhumans being there since S2 and S3
LightningTiger19982025-10-23 00:40
Why would the presence of the Inhumans make it not cannon???
VicRamD2025-10-23 00:47
Because the MCU completly ignore this group of people with powers that were hunted by the watchdogs (and people knew that)
Is difficult to reintroduce Quake and say "by the way, there is this big group lf super power people who we didn't mention for 10 years, but it was always there".
Not even Ms Marvel mentions it in Khamala's series to make a nod to the cómics.
LightningTiger19982025-10-23 00:54
Just because they haven’t been mentioned doesn’t mean they’re not out there it’s been a long time since I watched Agents of Shield and the Inhumans show but as far as I can remember there’s no reason why it would have to have been brought up in any other projects….
VicRamD2025-10-23 01:30
We got Civil War where Tony is drived by guilt but instead of being helping the inocent people hunted by the WD, he goes to the MIT.
Also they could use the inhumans as henchmen or allí es or villains in the movies, but they aren't even use as cameos like the Black Widows or the Extremis soldiers in Shang Chi
Majestic-Marcus2025-10-23 00:51
Because unless we just ignore they’ve never been mentioned anywhere else, they don’t exist in the MCU 616.
It’s obviously possible that they were just never mentioned, but at some point the amount of hand waving you have to do to say AOS is MCU 616 gets a bit ridiculous.
The MCU even went as far as using SWORD in WandaVision because SHIELD is gone. Whereas if you watch AOS, it isn’t.
LightningTiger19982025-10-23 00:56
Agents of Shield starts in 616 but once they start time travelling it’s clearly no longer 616
The end of Agents of Shield is 100% a different timeline hence why Shield is gone and they use Sword instead
Everyoneheresamoron2025-10-23 00:35
Its really a shame that the best parts of the MCU is just sitting there and we don't get any cameos or parts for their characters.
It doesn't matter if it was canon, it still means a great deal to those of us who were there from season 1.
Spacegirllll62025-10-23 00:35
Was there an article or something about this that was just posted? Because Comic-Con was days ago when he said this and suddenly I’ve seen two posts about this in the last hour
SlashOfLife52962025-10-23 00:35
My constant response to friends who said the show was bad was that clearly I wasn’t the only one watching because it kept getting renewed
Due-Yoghurt-79172025-10-23 00:37
Too bad the Thanos stuff didn't end up happening. Of any movie related story, that one had the most legs. That being said it would have felt more like supplementary to endgame rather than an extension of agents of shield, which was great by itself
dudeimlame2025-10-23 00:38
angruss2025-10-23 00:40
Maybe it’s in a universe that was initially the same as 616, but split off due to something that happened in between Civil War and Infinity War. So it was canon and the same universe, but then something happened and split things apart while AOS was still running.
Like maybe AOS takes place in the “Tony kills Bucky” timeline.
TigerUSF2025-10-23 00:40
It's Canon until they say its not, and even then it still is.
Jrocker-ame2025-10-23 01:17
I heard season 4 onward is them some how ending up in a alternate dimension. Unsure if that fits. Never saw past s3ason 2. Definitely going to be apart of my major marvel re watch
Majestic-Marcus2025-10-23 00:43
Cool story. Still not canon.
I enjoyed AOS. But it’s still not canon.
coreanavenger2025-10-23 00:44
Is this codespeak for saying he's a Proud Boy?
NiSiSuinegEht2025-10-23 00:46
In an infinite multiverse, everything is canon somewhere.
SwordfishTemporary372025-10-23 00:50
I enjoyed the series but after season 5 is clearly not set in the same universe.
strangercheeze2025-10-23 00:52
I really enjoy Agents of SHIELD, and in my own mind I consider it canon, whether it officially is or not.
dark_knight9202025-10-23 01:00
I really enjoyed watching it. Everybody including Gregg, was exceptional in it,
taviusparadise2025-10-23 01:00
AoS is the best marvel project
bitesizejasmine2025-10-23 01:49
agree!
LethalMagikarp2025-10-23 01:03
Agents of shield will always have a special place in my heart
foogeyzi692025-10-23 01:04
Fuck u too, Greg.
Federal_Policy_5572025-10-23 01:06
Agents of Shield still pretty good and it was done dirty by Feige
MisterSpicy2025-10-23 01:06
One of my all time favorite shows
Loganp8122025-10-23 01:09
I really enjoyed AoS. It’s still not canon though.
I mean, it technically is in the multiversal sense now, but not when it comes to the mainline MCU story. I kinda prefer it that way too, honestly.
mwatwe012025-10-23 01:11
My head canon is that everything is canon in the multiverse.
That show was appointment television for me. I was afraid it was going to be some formulaic, monster-of-the-week type show, but *no*. They took some real risks right out of the gate and wrote some really out there stories, and I loved every bit of it, even if it meant several gut punches every season.
leandrombraz2025-10-23 01:14
Saying that it isn't canon isn't the same as saying it isn't good. It was one of the best, if not the best Marvel TV show. They should absolutely be proud of what they did, but that has nothing to do with it being canon or not.
As far as the multiverse goes, anything can be canon at this point, so even discussing if it's canon or not is pointless. The possibilities are limitless, therefore it's canon. The fact is though that the show has a lot of things that can't fit in the sacred timeline, so, without retconning or doing some serious shenanigans, it's safe to say that the show didn't happen in the sacred timeline, not in its entirety at least, which, again, doesn't make the show any less good; it just isn't a show that you have to watch if you want to know what is going on in the MCU's sacred timeline, same as What If or Marvel's Zombies.
nansams2025-10-23 01:17
AoS was one of the best Marvel TV shows and they're cowards for not pulling from those stories/characters. The work is already done and fans love the show/characters!
What I wouldn't give to see Coulson and his team back on television/movies.
blackbutterfree2025-10-23 01:20
That's my Coulson.
EDPZ2025-10-23 01:21
I think too many people take calling the show non canon as some sort of insult or attempt to put the show down. Saying it's not canon doesn't have anything to do with them being proud of the show.
DTFunkyStuff2025-10-23 01:26
How can you claim AoS isn't canon when the events of the movies literally affected the show lol.
Capital_Gate67182025-10-23 01:27
Cap: Language!
Pretend-Meaning-15362025-10-23 01:29
what he said ☝️
demosthenes982025-10-23 01:30
The Son of Coul!
SindacodiLignano2025-10-23 01:33
Say it louder!
SeekingTheRoad2025-10-23 01:42
Damn skippy
MacbookPrime2025-10-23 01:43
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npete2025-10-23 01:47
I don't think anyone is saying AoS sucked. It just sucks that it seems AoS isn't canon.
r01-85062025-10-23 01:50
Of course it's "canon", to the vast multiverse. It's a multiverse after all. Even entirely different Tobey and Andrew Spideys are part of the multiverse. But obviously not canon to the main continuity.
Admirable-Reaction712025-10-23 01:54
I get his sentiment, but they're not mutually exclusive. Whethet it's canon or not, AoS will always be an excellent show and everyone who worked on it should be proud of it.
While it being (supposedly) part of the MCU was what got me into it, it's not the reason why I love it.
Komaisnotsalty2025-10-23 01:55
AoS was awesome, Gregg is so very right.
CosmicOutfield2025-10-23 01:55
Can’t blame him for saying this. They spent years on a show and now hear people making comments about how it’s either not canon or not part of the MCU. It can be insulting because it implies it’s not worth watching their show purely because of that.
no1ofimport2025-10-23 01:55
I really enjoyed the agents of Shield series
llTeddyFuxpinll2025-10-23 02:00
Agents of shield is my absolute favorite show
Pure_Complaint_79002025-10-23 02:05
You know what Clark.
You right. And you are all up in that MCU.
All connected!
CurrentlyLucid2025-10-23 02:08
I agree.
Sirmalta2025-10-23 02:12
They should be proud. That show fucking rocked. Season 4 is peak comic book Television.
Still aint canon tho lmao.
DavidBHimself2025-10-23 02:24
Also, F*** canon.
This obsession with canon from fans need to die.
Canon is for religions not for fiction.
TheAngryShoop2025-10-23 02:29
I like this guy, he was the first emotional gut punch of the MCU for me, and the continuation of his story was great
spderweb2025-10-23 02:30
The TVA all but guarantees that AoS is cannon.
Human_Ad25812025-10-23 02:31
I mean isnt that the fault of MARVEL who keep saying its not. Why are you mad at the fans for repeating what the studio is saying lol ridiculous
zrodeath2025-10-23 03:07
Agents of Shield was something I watched with great joy, think I might do a full rewatch soon
HandspeedJones2025-10-23 03:14
Why wouldn't it be canon?
BLAGTIER2025-10-23 03:51
Season 6 breaks from what was going on with the MCU. From there some people consider the whole show non-canon or say a split happened(in season 5) and some just say it is all canon.
bean_tripper2025-10-23 03:18
I agree with Clark Gregg AOS was best marvel show pre Disney+. Also head of marvel TV recently watched all seven seasons of AOS.
BLAGTIER2025-10-23 03:32
It was canon till the end of season 5. With Infinity War happening partially driving the plot of the end of season 5. Which was cool at the time because if you saw Infinity War on release during the day the same night AoS was referring the events happening in New York(the attack on Strange). So the last 3 episode were running in parallel to Infinity War and Thanos was a driving force of the last villain of season 5.
And then seasons 6 and 7. They just aren't canon. There were issues with Marvel Television and Marvel Studios not getting along. I guess the movie side didn't want anything post snap being developed before Endgame released, especially with the uneasy relationship with the TV side. And the TV show had to fit a network schedule so delaying to 2020 probably wasn't an option.
So what was left was season 5 ends around where the snap happened, but not on screen. And season 6 happens with no references to the snap, people being missing, the world after the snap. Because the TV side wasn't let in on Endgame's plot. There is just no way you can fit in the main timeline. But season 5 features time travel so it could be said when they come back in the middle of season 5 it is/creates a different timeline.
DaveW6262025-10-23 04:02
AOS is canon. No question about it. Coulson's "death", Nick Fury cameos, mentions of Ultron, Winter Soldier and Civil War. That right there's enough to call it canon. AOS was good until that last season. That was just weird. I get that he is proud of the show, but why should he even care what others think? Much less respond to it. Don't feed the trolls. Ignore them and the go away eventually.
To this day I do not get the hate Feige has for the TV shows (Netflix). Maybe because they weren't Disney+?
Petrichor022025-10-23 17:16
Basically this was part of an interview where the cast (or rather the three cast members that were in attendance) were all joking around and having a good time, so this quote is mostly said in jest. The tone and context are just stripped from it.
EnigmaticWeasel2025-10-23 04:15
"We are Agents of SHIELD and THAT CARRIES WEIGHT."
tantobourne2025-10-23 04:19
the show is worlds above what the inhumans gave mcu fans.
Nightwing06132025-10-23 04:37
To me Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is 100% canon & they should bring back Coulson, Melinda May, Mack & Quake all to the MCU
Dont_Ban_Me_Bros2025-10-23 04:37
Good for him. And he’s right. A good story is a good story. And it can be derailed with bad acting. Their cast didn’t really have to worry about either. Good stuff.
Curiouso_Giorgio2025-10-23 04:57
AoS was amazing that they churned out 20+ episodes per year, every year for 7 years and maintained a high level of quality.
spaghettingpataas2025-10-23 05:33
hell yeah!
skywalker1709972025-10-23 05:42
who TH says they r not canon?
they have multiple episodes where they coincide with the MCU movies...
MrRMacc2025-10-23 06:02
Never forget: Phil Coulson didn't exist before Iron Man (2008)
That man took and unnamed character and created Agent Phil Coulson. He didn't exist in the comics. He's MCU's first original creation. He turned into a major player in Phase 1, a comic book character, the star of a seven year TV show, and a host of other guest appearances.
He's absolutely right.
*Insert James Gandolfini meme here*
Kalse12292025-10-23 06:54
They should be proud. It's probably one of Marvel's best live action series. I'd even argue it's second only to Daredevil. The fact that it's still canon is just an added bonus.
Noise-Superb2025-10-23 07:51
Well it was, is, and always WILL be canon. And doubly fortunate for me, I enjoyed it because the characters carried the story. I don’t think I’m ever gonna get the same feeling from another prime time show. There was something special about waiting one week after another to find out what happens in the next episode.
Feanixxxx2025-10-23 07:57
Of course it is. How should it not?
I has Coulson in it. And Fury.
They show what happens when he dies in Avengers and so on.
Of course it's Canon.
Yeomanroach2025-10-23 13:19
Coulson went full Sarge on that statement.
MooseCentral19692025-10-23 13:41
I agree that its canon, but lost interest in season 6 due to other reasons.
SinginGidget2025-10-23 17:30
I would like to see the clip of him saying it, because tone does matter. I'm sure he 100% means it, but I don't think he's as angry about it as a text quote might make it seem.
Low_Shock_76352025-10-23 19:12
I can’t wait to watch the show after I finish marvel Netflix
Bleebledorp2025-10-23 20:46
Who's out there still saying it's not canon, honestly.
BabyfaceJohn2025-10-24 00:40
I mean, in my mind it is canon or canon adjacent! Why not?
PraiseRao2025-10-28 17:39
It isn't canon because of Kevin not because of the fans. We enjoyed it and i would welcome it apart of the canon even if it is wishywashy fitting at the end jumping to a new timeline and all that shit.
Commentaires
Until I get confirmation from Feige or any major EP or crew members about it not being canon, I’m dying on the hill that AOS is canon.
Even if it is revealed it’s not canon, that doesn’t mean it wasn’t an awesome show. I’d still love it.
And if they for some reason have seen the show and don’t remember this, I would be surprised because they establish it very clearly when talking about the Darkhold in AOS
Secret Wars and Doomsday are Marvel’s attempts to bail out a ship taking on water.
AOS doesn’t have enough fans to sell a single ticket that wasn’t already being sold. There’s no benefit to adding them and a decent amount of downsides.
It’s the same as people saying they should have added them to the Endgame battle. It would have made the scene worse and destroyed the momentum of the movie.
Nah. They're Marvel's attempts to integrate the F4 and X-Men into the MCU, without having to make the X-Men a "new" development. For example if Magneto became Magneto back during the Holocaust, then he can't *just* be showing up in the MCU in 2026 with nary a prior mention in all the MCU's movies up til now. Meaning, if they want to integrate Magneto into the MCU in a way that keeps his backstory as what fans expect, then there's gonna have to be some big, noticeable retcons to the established MCU timeline. And that means some big multiversal shenanigans.
Not to mention, if Marvel was *ever* gonna do big crossover events with the pre-MCU franchises, like Tom Holland meets Andrew Garfield meets Tobey Maguire, or Mark Ruffalo's Hulk vs Hugh Jackman's Wolverine, then they were always gonna need to do that shit quickly. Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen ain't getting any younger, you know? And NWH already had jokes about how middle-aged Maguire looked. Actors age and that ties a studio's hands on how much of a long game they can play. So if Feige wanted to ever bring peanut butter and jelly together like fans had always wanted, then he needed to do it about now-ish.
Even if Phases 4 and 5 had been executed flawlessly, Marvel would still be doing some big multiversal crossover right about now because if they waited any longer, there's a good chance they wouldn't able to do it at all anymore. Patrick Stewart's 85. Ian McKellen's 86. I don't wanna be morbid, but how much longer do you expect them to be doing movies? Even Deadpool at his jokiest didn't dare to suggest that anyone would still be doing these movies past 90.
I'm glad that AoS finally gave up chasing the MCU movies and ignored the Snap, so they could focus on their own global-level threats. Still, it would've been nice if they had let Graviton be Franklin Hall, instead of reinventing him as a different character.
Daisy joined Thor in Wakanda after stopping Graviton. And together they stopped Thanos
It was obvious they weren’t going to kill off Spider-Man, Scarlet Witch and etc.
If you give Mark Ruffalo the entire script, the showrunners of Agents of Shield should get it too
I totally agree just thought that was kind of funny
It’s a joke
>”There’s some people who talk about canon. You can go fuck yourself. We’re proud of what we did. We’re proud, really deeply proud, of the connection we have with people like you who come visit and hang with us.”
>”At a certain point, when Marvel Television and the MCU were kind of going to different companies, it became harder and harder to get villains. And they got to kind of do some deep cuts into the comic book world that got us some really cool characters.”
>”It was a gradual thing [the shift from tying directly into movies like ‘The Winter Soldier’ and getting Marvel stars to appear in the series]. There was never any kind of animosity. It was clear that there was some corporate restructuring going on. There [were] new shows happening that I thought were incredible – thank God Daredevil’s back on [Disney+]. I mean, we would still have people show up, is that true? No, I guess it was mostly the first couple of seasons. We definitely became our own ship out there in the galaxy and I fell like we made it work.”
[Source](https://www.thepopverse.com/tv-agents-of-shield-panel-nycc-2025-clark-gregg-canon-question)
They absolutely should be proud, canon or not. Him saying that kind of ignores the fact that there's some giant pieces that don't line up, especially with the snap. Even if it's not mainline canon, it really doesn't matter because Loki basically made everything canon and the next Avengers movie seems to be pulling in everything. The canon discussion is kind of moot now as a result.
Discussing the nuance of canon is kind of a past time of any type of big interconnected product that is shown on TV and film; probably comics and print media also.
they tried to force everything to be a part of the mcu and destroyed good shows in the process. now the mcu is a disaster and people have gotten bored of it but those classic shows will remain.
SHIELD was a great series, that's all that matters to me.
For me season 4 is a 10. 2, 3, and 5 are 9s. 1 and 7 are 8s. And season 6 is a 7. So overall, I loved the show.
Haven't watched s7 yet but I do agree with the rankings so far
I'm currently in 2017, almost finished with Punisher S1.
Agents of SHIELD was pretty good all the way through! It's not canon, but that means exactly nothing about the quality of it. It was always "we're canon to the movies but the movies will never acknowledge us and if they want to do something that contradicts us they will without a second thought."
I like that the MCU has ongoing continuity, but whether an individual project does or doesnt fit isnt a condition of whether I'll enjoy it.
No you freaking crazies. It’s the simplest fucking reason. Gunn likes it so he’s including it in his universe. End of. Season 1-2 are in because he wants it in and he will retcon one part to fit it.
The MCU is especially bad because they spent so long tying everything together that if you didn't watch this one show or short that didn't interest you, you had no idea what was going on in the next movie.
They tried to work around the MCU movies for a while, but it was clearly hard for them to keep up, especially when the Russos weren't willing to share any details for the Infinity saga before the movies came out. So just ignoring the snap and doing their own thing was obviously the right call, moving forward.
It was nice that they at least got to crossover with Agent Carter towards the end, which was nice to see Agent Sousa get his happy ending.
Feige is the one who decided a whole bunch of other stuff is canon, but is leaving out Agents of Shield.
Why? She’s isn’t a famous actress or a famous character. I’d have been surprised if we did see her.
Yes. The Raimi films are in the MCU multiverse. No, Raimis Spiderman isn’t living in the same timeline as Hollands.
Saying AOS exists in the multiverse isn’t the same as saying AOS happened in the same timeline as Infinity War.
Nu mcu can say whatever they want. Post endgame isn't canon
Is difficult to reintroduce Quake and say "by the way, there is this big group lf super power people who we didn't mention for 10 years, but it was always there".
Not even Ms Marvel mentions it in Khamala's series to make a nod to the cómics.
Also they could use the inhumans as henchmen or allí es or villains in the movies, but they aren't even use as cameos like the Black Widows or the Extremis soldiers in Shang Chi
It’s obviously possible that they were just never mentioned, but at some point the amount of hand waving you have to do to say AOS is MCU 616 gets a bit ridiculous.
The MCU even went as far as using SWORD in WandaVision because SHIELD is gone. Whereas if you watch AOS, it isn’t.
The end of Agents of Shield is 100% a different timeline hence why Shield is gone and they use Sword instead
It doesn't matter if it was canon, it still means a great deal to those of us who were there from season 1.
Like maybe AOS takes place in the “Tony kills Bucky” timeline.
I enjoyed AOS. But it’s still not canon.
I mean, it technically is in the multiversal sense now, but not when it comes to the mainline MCU story. I kinda prefer it that way too, honestly.
That show was appointment television for me. I was afraid it was going to be some formulaic, monster-of-the-week type show, but *no*. They took some real risks right out of the gate and wrote some really out there stories, and I loved every bit of it, even if it meant several gut punches every season.
As far as the multiverse goes, anything can be canon at this point, so even discussing if it's canon or not is pointless. The possibilities are limitless, therefore it's canon. The fact is though that the show has a lot of things that can't fit in the sacred timeline, so, without retconning or doing some serious shenanigans, it's safe to say that the show didn't happen in the sacred timeline, not in its entirety at least, which, again, doesn't make the show any less good; it just isn't a show that you have to watch if you want to know what is going on in the MCU's sacred timeline, same as What If or Marvel's Zombies.
What I wouldn't give to see Coulson and his team back on television/movies.
While it being (supposedly) part of the MCU was what got me into it, it's not the reason why I love it.
You right. And you are all up in that MCU.
All connected!
Still aint canon tho lmao.
This obsession with canon from fans need to die.
Canon is for religions not for fiction.
And then seasons 6 and 7. They just aren't canon. There were issues with Marvel Television and Marvel Studios not getting along. I guess the movie side didn't want anything post snap being developed before Endgame released, especially with the uneasy relationship with the TV side. And the TV show had to fit a network schedule so delaying to 2020 probably wasn't an option.
So what was left was season 5 ends around where the snap happened, but not on screen. And season 6 happens with no references to the snap, people being missing, the world after the snap. Because the TV side wasn't let in on Endgame's plot. There is just no way you can fit in the main timeline. But season 5 features time travel so it could be said when they come back in the middle of season 5 it is/creates a different timeline.
To this day I do not get the hate Feige has for the TV shows (Netflix). Maybe because they weren't Disney+?
they have multiple episodes where they coincide with the MCU movies...
That man took and unnamed character and created Agent Phil Coulson. He didn't exist in the comics. He's MCU's first original creation. He turned into a major player in Phase 1, a comic book character, the star of a seven year TV show, and a host of other guest appearances.
He's absolutely right.
*Insert James Gandolfini meme here*
I has Coulson in it. And Fury.
They show what happens when he dies in Avengers and so on.
Of course it's Canon.